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Franklanguage, it's not so much that I couldn't give up meat or dairy (I wouldn't want do it completely, but I don't think it'd be a terrible sacrifice to cut way back), it's cost that prevents me from going vegan.

I looked up how to make almond milk. I would need a blender (50+ dollars I don't currently have, but really would be an extremely good item to invest in.) A pound of (usable, not candied or pre-salted) almonds is about 10 dollars from Walmart and makes 2 cups of almond milk. There are 16 cups per gallon - so I'd need to make 8 batches of almond milk to equal a gallon of milk.

In order to equal an entire gallon of milk, I'd have to spend 80 dollars. While we don't drink milk anymore (we only use it for cooking, cereal and coffee creamer) we still go through a gallon of milk a week. Spending 80 dollars a week on milk simply not feasible.

BUT - I took a look at some of the sites you recommended (and the site you recommended, Riverwynne) and saw some veggie dishes that looked VERY doable. I can splurge 10 dollars on squash and fresh garlic in the beginning of the month. I can splurge and make a quinoa and kale salad. Those things look amazing and while they will be limited to splurges, they will be HEALTHY splurges.

I say splurge because our total monthly food budget is roughly 250 a month, between food stamps, begging from Pat, and food pantries. We feed ourselves on roughly 8 dollars a day - which has to be broken up into 2 MEALS for 2 PEOPLE each day. That's about 2 dollars per meal. We end up eating a lot of spaghetti (total 2 dollars from the dollar store) and lots of beans and rice.

And most months, it really does come down to being that tight. This week was so tight that I was counting how many squares of toilet paper I was using, just to stretch it out over the last two days until Pat gets paid and can give us some money. (Because I'd spent the last 3 dollars I had between my food stamps, Paypal card, and spare change dug from the bottom of my purse to buy us a day's worth of food.) I couldn't afford the single dollar it would have taken to buy another 4 pack of toilet paper from the Dollar Store.

I mean, I'm good at being poor. I know where the food pantries are. I know the public restrooms where you can steal toilet paper. I know I can spend 1 dollar on a sandwich at McDonald's and walk away with several handfuls of napkins that will double as toilet paper AND cleaning supplies. (Those two things being useful ONLY if I have the gas to get said public restroom/restaurant.) I know baking soda sprinkled on the carpet instead of carpet deodorizer is waaaay cheaper (and more effective in removing smells.) I know all these things.

I'd like to know what it feels like to NOT know those things. Or at least, what it's like to not worry about those things.

I don't mean to make excuses or cry poor me over being so poor. Hopefully things will change soon with the disability hearing. Hopefully.

And penlessej THANK YOU! I will definitely be getting your personal experiences in here shortly. I had another visit with my nephrologist. More on-one-hand-and-then-on-the-other, but more good news than not. At least as in "Yeah, you're gonna be on dialysis but it's not as imminent as we thought" kind of good news.

I love you all. Food stamps come in tomorrow and I. Cannot. Wait. Often we eat only to the point where we are no longer ravenous, as to make sure there are leftovers enough to feed us for another meal. It means sometimes we aren't able to eat till we're full. Leaves us feeling a low-level, but constant, hunger. If there's one feeling I've become accustomed to that I'd like to rid myself forever of, it's that.

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Hey there! :)

I hope your disability hearing goes well!

I know what its like to get by this same way. It took me MONTHS to start buying my own trash bags and toilet paper but once I did i felt so much better about life. I spent about 4.50 on a pack of angel soft from family dollar and that gets me through the entire month but im just a single person. XD

Have you considered the store brand of almond milk? It taste okay to me. :o
A recipe I just googled gave 4 cups for 200 grammes of almonds.

I thought almond milk was some recent vegan invention but I just learned that they used it all the time in cooking in medieval England.
So another thing I thought of... and I don't know if you have like Trader Joe's, Whole Foods etc. But sometimes you can buy quinoa by the pound. They have them in the bin and you can scoop how much you want. That might be cheaper than buying it prepackaged in the normal supermarket.
Bulk is generally cheaper than pre-packaged, but at my ghetto C-town I got a 12-oz bag of Goya® quinoa. Sadly, this store seems to have moved away from price stickers, so I can't see how much I paid for it; I think like $3. (I don't know how that translates from NYC to KC dollars!)

I've been vegan for 18 years now, and I've always been dirt-poor. Sure, I don't have a family to feed, and I only have one cat. Actually, I'm not trying to compare my situation to yours as much as to say: if eating a certain way could make you healthier, wouldn't that be worth a shot? The job of mainstream doctors is to keep their patients ill. Consider that whenever you talk to your doctor; I know I do.

Lastly, I thought I'd included in the links I sent you Eat Vegan On $4 a Day, but I admit it may have slipped by you. The YouTube™ video I just cited is a review of the book, and includes a typical $4 day.

If eating meat and dairy makes you feel healthier—or "normal," at least—then I'm sorry I tried to suggest that a few people have even said veganism cured their lupus. I've also half-expected Jesse to come online to tell me to leave you alone, and I think I should stop before that happens. I don't want to upset you, but I want to make you think.

As far as I've heard, the only good thing about dialysis is that you won't have to pee anymore; the trade-off is that you have to spend hours hooked up to that machine. I hope you at least can see here that going vegan isn't about eating expensive food. (If it matters, my main motivation is about leaving a smaller carbon footprint.)
A TJ's lies near-sih you, on the near side of Olathe as I recall.

There's a literal family relationship between TJ's and Aldi, though no formal connection. It suffices to say that notwithstanding the differences between the two stores, they share some philosophies in common, particularly the ones that result in affordable fare.
I forgot I had this link and when I remembered I had to hunt for it: file: http://ravan.asteris.org/cheapskate/poorfood.shtml

The page is old but the advice is sound. The drawback is that it's predicated on spending money up front to buy in bulk, but it can last months. One way I found around this is that I am lucky to have a vacuum seal machine so I would portion food out and put the rest in the freezer to keep fresh. You don't have to vacuum seal food, just use a plastic bag and squeeze out as much air as possible. If you have brown rice or pretty much anything made from grain plastic bags and freezer are a god send.
[In which I discuss my problem, which is not necessarily your problem - ]

The single most effective thing I've done to control my weight...

...Is to eat until I'm not hungry, and then stop. Yes, kids, weight control might well mean eating like a poor person. It also results in heaps more dishes to wash than would otherwise be the case, which I find a burden. (There are so many better things to do with my time than wash dishes, except for the part about courting foodborne illness.)

What makes that suck for me is that I'm not getting laid, I'm avoiding alcohol out of necessity - diabetes is BAD - and all manner of recreational drugs that might ease my spirit are in the main out of reach.

Meanwhile, after the compromises of my spell in Lawrence, and the five months away from the gym on account of pain and sidetracks - with plenty of both - followed by Thanksgiving, I've got quite the mountain to climb.

The worst part is that, when you're trying to do this on a budget, the gallery gets all caught up in macros. How much sugar? How much animal fat?

Well, guess what?

When you're poor - as I am, for all intents and purposes - you're forced to find that sweet spot on the Venn diagram where cost per calorie meets balance meets fat-and-bulk enough to actually sate you. And you have to do it with all of your successfully-losing friends yelling at you that it shouldn't be done that way, because reasons. GOD DAMN IT, my self regulation is NOT broken, and I'm not an idiot. I CAN figure this out on my own.

...So beans, chicken, and roasted vegetables it is, with nuts for snacks and wringing out every possible gram of high-GI carbohydrates. That last part makes me deeply unhappy... not because I love sweets, but because I drink coffee in a particular way and damn it, I think that pasta's fucking awesome.

...Just not for me right now.